智利觀星?

[kong]

問題是現在Skywatcher又說會研製Dob 20，蜂巢式鏡材會比Dob 14還要輕一半，好像停不下來。

i don't seem to be able to find any recent update to this rumour.... could 社长 please provide a link? 20"....

[willis]

I will be busy imaging with my Tibet observatory this Christmas holiday - from my desktop computer at Hong Kong, at the same time milking Miss Liang

If that is the case, I would like to go to ur office

[社長]

問題是現在Skywatcher又說會研製Dob 20，蜂巢式鏡材會比Dob 14還要輕一半，好像停不下來。

i don't seem to be able to find any recent update to this rumour.... could 社长 please provide a link? 20"....

you can't see this from the web.

the business owner of Synta (Skywatcher + Celestron) told me his thought in 2009 and recently he say they are making prototype.

[社長]

I will be busy imaging with my Tibet observatory this Christmas holiday - from my desktop computer at Hong Kong, at the same time milking Miss Liang

If that is the case, I would like to go to ur office

you want to help milking Miss Liang? thanks a lot

[社長]

If that is the case, I would like to go to ur office

我看你還是要儘快把手上的影像處理軟件操練好，萬一我的西藏天文台順利運作，11月起會持續有影像數據傳回來，到時我除了用DSS疊加及PS拉一下曲線外，其餘全部不懂。

[社長]

那你看我們應該搞一台可攜的Dob 16?

Actually, the Chilean lodge has dobs for rent. So there is no need to bring big dobs. You just need to bring the small scopes for photography and mounts. From their website:

"We can rent some dobsonian telescopes, either a 45cm or 33cm which we can place near to your lodge. These telescopes are equipped with Nagler and Ethos eyepieces."

其實和我們在西藏的情況相若，現在有300牛反及Paramount，Dob 16稍後發過去，明年會有600牛反，另有HEQ5 Pro及EQ5 Pro，即到時租一輛吉普車，到我的觀測站玩兩三天，然後搬鏡上車開到任何地方也可以，過去一年在西藏跑了一萬公里以上，對哪個山頭可以看星還是有點概今的

這個世界上能把Dob 16運上5000多海拔目視的應該沒太多人了，我們可以找幾晚試試，每晚三四小時便退回5000海拔以下，這經驗夠你在Cloudynights上吹吹牛牛了。

http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/ ... art/1/vc/1

若夠狠的，把600牛反及Paramount拆下來也是十數分鐘的功夫，反正我09年路邊天文也不下一次自己一人把203APO及Paramount運出去架起來。

我看你的情況還是簽證問題，今年上半年敏感時期，從拉薩到阿里1800公里路上，要經過七道關卡，每一道都要費些功夫才可通過，甚至有打回頭的風險，同行的台灣夥伴，要拿著一疊由六個部門包括軍區簽發的批文才成。

[David]

若只是去一次的話，我是很有興趣的，我明年夏天要到三藩市出席國際天文館會議，所以順道南下也無妨。

我本身不愛跑來跑去，到廣州一次已覺得很累，但若要去的話就一次過吧，正如我08年歐亞美三地跑了一個月，都是天文會議、考察等，都花了一台175APO的錢了。談及那邊，我也很有興趣去去古巴，褔克蘭群島，阿根庭南陲，我也有好幾位朋友到過南極洲了。

智利是我很有興趣到的地方，數年前買了一本叫 Book Sudamerica - Hoteles de Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, 介紹了很多南美洲的特色酒店。

I guess we won't be going to Tibet in summer as it is its rainy season:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1276&start=20#p11579

Pleiades is also interested in going to San Pedro de Atacama with us if we go, but he needs to work harder rather than taking holidays all the time

I am very interested in going to the places you mentioned. As you know that a teacher has very non-flexible holiday schedule, I think I can only go to Antarctica when I am 60 years old. Currently, I am planning a trip to Falkland Islands in Christmas.

[社長]

若只是去一次的話，我是很有興趣的，我明年夏天要到三藩市出席國際天文館會議，所以順道南下也無妨。

我本身不愛跑來跑去，到廣州一次已覺得很累，但若要去的話就一次過吧，正如我08年歐亞美三地跑了一個月，都是天文會議、考察等，都花了一台175APO的錢了。談及那邊，我也很有興趣去去古巴，褔克蘭群島，阿根庭南陲，我也有好幾位朋友到過南極洲了。

智利是我很有興趣到的地方，數年前買了一本叫 Book Sudamerica - Hoteles de Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, 介紹了很多南美洲的特色酒店。

I guess we won't be going to Tibet in summer as it is its rainy season:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1276&start=20#p11579

Pleiades is also interested in going to San Pedro de Atacama with us if we go, but he needs to work harder rather than taking holidays all the time

I am very interested in going to the places you mentioned. As you know that a teacher has very non-flexible holiday schedule, I think I can only go to Antarctica when I am 60 years old. Currently, I am planning a trip to Falkland Islands in Christmas.

同樣在南半球，為何Tony會有興趣去智利? 純看天文台? 談天文台，我到過Yerkes用40寸折射目視，1997年也參觀過柏洛瑪山天文台的5米口徑海爾望遠鏡，另一個想去的其實是日中峰天文台，Time Magazine上看到旁邊的酒店廣告，說晚上可以到天文台看星，他們號稱自己的視寧度全球最佳之一云云。

去西藏，要麼某年的聖誕、春節，又或者復活節假吧。

原來你跟我一樣，也有興趣到褔克蘭群島看看

[David]

同樣在南半球，為何Tony會有興趣去智利?

He and I seem to share the feeling that natural scenery is as important as, if not more than, the stars. So we are interested in going to the Ayers Rock in Alice Spring and also the Atacama desert in Chile. I would probably hesitate to go to places where the only thing we can do is to watch the stars, and there is absolutely nothing to do if the weather doesn't cooperates.

If I just go for the stars, Australia is much cheaper.

[社長]

同樣在南半球，為何Tony會有興趣去智利?

He and I seem to share the feeling that natural scenery is as important as, if not more than, the stars. So we are interested in going to the Ayers Rock in Alice Spring and also the Atacama desert in Chile. I would probably hesitate to go to places where the only thing we can do is to watch the stars, and there is absolutely nothing to do if the weather doesn't cooperates.

If I just go for the stars, Australia is much cheaper.

我曾經誇下海口說，什麼時候把203APO運往美國，然後在LA租輛寶馬Z4開到大峽谷，租間小木屋看一星期星的，當然我講的時候也不相信哪天會實現，Z4也放不下203APO

我到過大峽谷，也很想去Ayers Rock，說到Atacama沙漠，會否像我哪裡看過的西藏風光?

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=218#p1475

我明年要到三藩市參加國際天文館會議，或許可以順道南下，在哪裡會合? Santiago?

[pleiades]

同樣在南半球，為何Tony會有興趣去智利?

He and I seem to share the feeling that natural scenery is as important as, if not more than, the stars. So we are interested in going to the Ayers Rock in Alice Spring and also the Atacama desert in Chile. I would probably hesitate to go to places where the only thing we can do is to watch the stars, and there is absolutely nothing to do if the weather doesn't cooperates.

If I just go for the stars, Australia is much cheaper.

Indeed, for star gazing, I can just drive or fly to Alice Spring, or just a few hours drive away from the city
At night, we can star-gaze if weather permits; at daytime, we'd better do something for fun!
I just love travelling and adventures : p

[社長]

好，隨了智利外，到時西藏之旅會有Tony同行了，會有一輛或是兩三輛吉普車?

這兩天新聞及電視都報導了智利將有最大望遠鏡落成，也是5000多海拔的，感覺也很像西藏。

[社長]

不如大家brainstorm一下，希望行程如何?

若一切順利，我希望上半年把600 f3.5反射鏡磨好然後帶到美國處理，回來後便可以組裝運往西藏天文台了。所以除三藩市出席國際天文館會議外，也會到訪一兩個商家，之後便可以南下，智利我是很想去的，小學時唸地理科也讀到這個國家，也知道草泥馬這動物。但南美洲實在太多地方玩了，可能一次行程玩不完。

[David]

I've been reading a lot of tour books recently, particularly on South America and Iceland. Seems that apart from stargazing, I am interested in going to places that look a bit like extra-terrestrial locations.

There are a number of places that can be visited at San Pedro de Atacama.
http://maya.go2c.info/view.php?doc=clSanpedro
http://www.sanpedroatacama.com/ingles/home.htm

- The Moon Valley
- The Atacama salt flat
- Altiplanic lagoons
- The Tatio geysers
- The Cejar and Tebinquinche lagoons
- The Monturaqui impact crater
- The Salar de Tara
- The Rainbow valley

To reach this place, we can fly to Santiago, then connect to Calama Airport. Then it is just 100km to San Pedro.

We can also drive to Cerro Paranal to visit European Southern Observatory. They have guided tours on selected days.
http://www.eso.org/public/about-eso/vis ... ranal.html
Astronomy Now Magazine has an article on this observatory in the latest issue. The report says that the road to this place can only be described as exactly like Mars - just the way I like it.

I suggest going to Easter Island also as it is nearby. The flight is also from Santiago.

I am also curious about Iceland which has ice lagoon, glacier, dead volcanoes, geysers, grand waterfalls, geothermal pools, etc.
Bus tours in southern Iceland: http://www.re.is/
Hiking: http://www.mountainguides.is/
Glacier tours: http://www.vatnajokull.is/english/
Tours in northern iceland: http://www.sagatravel.is/
Tour to Askja Volcano: http://www.askjatours.is/default/
BTW, Iceland is not for stargazing or even Aurora observation as it is frequently raining or windy.

And I am going to Iguazu Falls in Argentina and Brazil this Christmas.

[社長]

iceland vs Chile, 你究竟想去北方或南方?

那福克蘭群島何時去?

原來時間已訂，是7月初在Louisiana開...

http://www.cvent.com/events/ips-2012/ev ... bfb65.aspx

[David]

Looks like it is 22-26 July 2012 rather than early July. I must be in Hong Kong on 20 July for the exam result release. The moon age after 26 July is no good because it is close to first quarter. The week from about 10 August 2012 would be better.....

Or may be you go to visit some peole in late July/early August. Then we go Easter Island first for 3-4 days, then we go San Pedro next, spending 6 nights there.

May be we can just go to Australia and join Tony if he is free in August (Ayer's Rock? Perth?). Or I can just go to Iceland which doesn't need any matching with moon age since ....there is no complete dark sky there in July and August .

My Falkland trip doesn't quite work out this Christmas because of problems with flight arrangement......need to book earlier next year. Falkland is better in December rather than July. Forget Falkland for stargazing. The weather is not that promising. If I go there, it will be for the wildlife.

[David]

Just check that 2013 July would be better for Chile trip as the moon age is right in late July.

Also, since the ESO only have guided tours on the last two weekends of every month, we won't be able to have that in 2012. But 2013 is okay for that.

[社長]

Looks like it is 22-26 July 2012 rather than early July. I must be in Hong Kong on 20 July for the exam result release. The moon age after 26 July is no good because it is close to first quarter. The week from about 10 August 2012 would be better.....

Or may be you go to visit some peole in late July/early August. Then we go Easter Island first for 3-4 days, then we go San Pedro next, spending 6 nights there.

May be we can just go to Australia and join Tony if he is free in August (Ayer's Rock? Perth?). Or I can just go to Iceland which doesn't need any matching with moon age since ....there is no complete dark sky there in July and August .

My Falkland trip doesn't quite work out this Christmas because of problems with flight arrangement......need to book earlier next year. Falkland is better in December rather than July. Forget Falkland for stargazing. The weather is not that promising. If I go there, it will be for the wildlife.

要在美國流浪一個月等你過來? 08年那次，我連10天也受不了，最後飛到德國再回來....

另一可能性，我回來後大家找塊地方去，西沙群島.... oh no, 北半球有西藏夠了，要麼到澳洲要麼若天氣好的，我們到西藏看看5000海拔的星空? 今天正跟一家學校談考察團呢，若成事的話不如聘你來作科學實驗導師?

[pleiades]

I'm happy to either plan - Tiber, Chile, Australia, etc etc
will reserve my leaves once we have confirmed the time
the weather in August in Australia is a concern ... there were a lot of rainy days here sine June this year ...
no clear sky in Sydney, the Greater Western NSW, or along the coast down to Melbourne for a while ...

i was quite surprised there are actually a lot to do in San Pedro de Atacama

by the way, I am really interested to join your survey group to Tibet!!
i want to do a documentary on Tibet - the people, the nature, and of course the sky : )

[社長]

I'm happy to either plan - Tiber, Chile, Australia, etc etc
will reserve my leaves once we have confirmed the time
the weather in August in Australia is a concern ... there were a lot of rainy days here sine June this year ...
no clear sky in Sydney, the Greater Western NSW, or along the coast down to Melbourne for a while ...

i was quite surprised there are actually a lot to do in San Pedro de Atacama

by the way, I am really interested to join your survey group to Tibet!!
i want to do a documentary on Tibet - the people, the nature, and of course the sky : )

一般來說這種遊歷最理想的組合是4人，當然3個人也可以，或許我們到時能組合上，不管哪裡都去

我是一個情緒比較穏定，抗挫力很強的人，但不知何故每次到達冰天雪地的阿里，登上5100海拔的山上，遇到風雪時都有些憂鬱，那種感覺是在冰天雪地的加拿大Calagary也沒有的。所以我開始理解南極考察隊的心情，因為大家都在天涯海角吧?

智利又如何? 我想情況有點相近。

按當地人說，雖然一般評價西藏阿里是屋脊的屋脊，最難到達的地方，殺人滅口的好地方，但實際上西藏那曲條件更艱苦，因為阿里尚可以建溫室種出蔬菜西瓜，但那曲連樹都沒有一顆。